„The church in Austria does not even risk political confrontations, which - takes one the reminders of the Pope seriously - actually to take place would have. “Press fragments to the Pope visit.

Unpolitical Pilgerfahrt

„It is not a political journey, but a Pilgerfahrt. There is not intended meetings with other denominations to prove only one prayer before the Monument of the Schoah than indications of our friendship with the Jewish brothers and around the unit to God. On my journey I want to speak particularly over Europe and over the Christian roots of Europe. “

Pope Benedikt XVI. shortly before the journey according to a report of the Austrian daily paper `Presse'.

Fair weather church

„The church in Austria does not even risk political confrontations, which - takes one the reminders of the Pope seriously - actually to take place would have. The period solution? For three decades not only the ÖVP resigned itself, but obviously also the bishop conference in fact to it. […] The Austrian catholicism became politically wash and wear - outward evading to the controversies, inward arbitrary. A church for all seasons. “

The Austrian political scientist Anton Pelinka in the German weekly paper `Zeit'.


Vorkonziliares theology study

„Family-hostilely is however rather the vatikanische bachelor reservation. The family depreciating is a Pope. The council of Trient, to today substantial basis of catholic teachings, explains on 11 November 1563: ” If someone says, is not better and God-more blessed to remain in the virginity and the Zölibat than marrying, that is condemned “. […] With the Vatikan as the ideal biotope for keusche homosexuals, as a womanless Terrarium, an age-old religious mankind mistake arrived at its crowning conclusion. “

The habilitierte Theologin Uta climb Heinemann (79) - the 1987 the training power was withdrawed - in the discussion with the traditionally anti-church daily paper `Standard'.


Superficialnesses

„It is like that, as if we would already know everything. Where the Pope lives during his Austria visit (Nuntiatur), which he eats most of all (apple-wobble), when it goes normally sleeping (22 o'clock) etc. of these dad advice di points of view controls the reporting and becomes probably with the arrival of Benedikt XVI. increase until to the borders of the bearable one. “

Walter Friedl in a comment for the Austrian daily paper `Kurier'.


He comes for the believers

„For little euphoria the visit of the Pope ensures with some domestic Promis. ” It is too conservative me. It would be time that times someone brings, said fresh wind into the catholic church “about Maria cell pilgrim Richard Lugner. The building master will participate also in no date. ” I am in Prague. With two women “, the freshly divorced” mortar meant “to the APA. “

From a report of the Austrian broadcast.


More in a juvenile manner overshot

„Religion is to be private thing, and separate the church of the state finally completely. Instead of practicing in the correct hand vibrating or to release pupils for Pope exhibitions, the points of the state should over the abolishment of the concordat of 1933 with the Pope rather discuss. This international-law contract assures special rights and financial means in completely unacceptable height to the catholic church. “

Companion Sandra Breiteneder, chairmen of the socialist youth Vienna, in a press sending today Friday.


Fundis back-whistle

„As” politically very precariously “today the acting national chairman that evaluated JVP Vienna, Sebastian short, the agitation of the socialist youth against the forthcoming visit of the Pope in Vienna. ” Socialist propaganda and the planned protests against the Pope, taking place at present at schools, are the lowest drawer. I request therefore the SPÖ guidance, own radicals back to whistle “, so short. “

From a press sending of the boys ÖVP Vienna on Thursday of yesterday.


There he laughs only

„The major events, there we have phenomena before us, which are puzzling for me. Elvis Presley is in ancient language spoken long a God. Or you look at yourselves, what happened with Lady Di. If in Rome millions young people meet and `el Papa' cry to Viva, and on the next morning the used Präservative is together-turned, then one thinks: What was there loose? I do not know, why they do it, and I have quite respect before it, but me talk to let, there is which under way, a new stimulation, there laugh I only. “

Of cardinal the Franz king († 2004) 1976 of priesthood suspended Adolf Holl in the discussion with the Austrian daily paper `Standard'.

© pictures: Pressefotos Robert hunter, APA PHOTO POOL

Galahad: Fact is…

… that the fall of the Protestantism because of the task of the Zölibates did not take place.

Separate - just like the fall of the catholicism - because of the compromises with the financial power.
The usury prohibition, against which Luther had still preached, was given up.

http://www.vergessene-buecher.de

Thoroughly read! Also to the Christian social teachings interesting…

http://www.artfond.de/geldseite

http://www.bueso.de

http://www.zeit.de/2003/10/M… ici box

Mountains of the mercy

The church and the interest

„You are not at your brother usury, neither with money, nor with meal, still with everything, so that one can usury. “

Still in 19. Century gave it catholic municipality savings banks in local autonomy, those to a large extent interest-free over participation in corporate profits financed itself (material erwirschaftet, without wucherischen financial capital sector).

The desolate conditions caught only after the Middle Ages… in the Middle Ages were married on the priests.
Afterwards however they had their „lady housekeepers “;)

Until today… or their Dirnen… Zölibat has more harmed than been useful… was better embodied in the municipality before it life closer and…

http://www.muslim-markt.de/… view/2005/berger.htm

Criticism on to limited free-economical concepts, which leave the creation of money and rotating bringing blank by interest-loaded credit.

http://www.michael-musil.de/DF/texte/poth.htm

Christian Hüller: @ Bokrug

Jesus and Paulus did not see this problem.

The conditions in the Middle Ages were desolate.

Bokrug †: The priest marriage remains at least permitted…

… besides it was in the late Middle Ages permitted for priests to marry…

Pure stupidity however was it to forbid this.

Thus the priests humans and their everyday problems in the municipality were entwurzelt and more life-strangely.

Christian Hüller: @ Bokrug

Read times exactly the writing. There it means: the bishop should be once married (1 Tim 3, 2)

Once only if he marries; however, against your statement, the Ehelosigkeit is recommended for the sky realm - and nothing else (1 Kor 7, 8; Mt 19, 12 in conformity with Mt 19, 21,29).

Prophetinnen gives it in already to Old Testament, but the prophet is not fortunately and for good reason an office-holder, but as God voice warning and reminding corrective.

Bokrug †: Priest rather was church permitted in the Middle Ages!

Paulus and the Apostel and EH gelists permit the priest marriage and demand them even.

With Paulus there were even Prophetinnen.

And furthermore:

The usury prohibition and driving of the exchange brokers out from the temple are clearly fixed in the New Testament and with the church fathers.
In the Middle Ages there was approx. 1150 to 1450-1500 European-wide a falling currency…

http://www.artfond.de/geldseite

http://www.vergessene-buecher.de

Christian Hüller: @ Bokrug

1. The Kommunitarismus of the Urgemeinde had a clearly designatable hist. reason: there the young shank and/or Christian crowd met in Jerusalem waited on the imminent Wiederkunft of the gentleman, under large task economic commitments aligned on a long-term basis and favours by the request of the gentleman to the mutual assistance. By any means this form of living together is not normative for the church of all times, which very soon after the terrestrial death of the Mr. Jesus Christ recognized that the welfare plan of the gentleman required more long-term commitment, so that also the Kommunitarismus of the Urgemeinde was again given up soon.

The thesis, the true church must an economic and world-descriptive Egalitarismus huldigen, is ideologically motivated nonsense.

2. They state indirectly that the Zölibat leads to life and unworldly priests. This is a bold assumption, which is able to disprove alone hist. the experience.

The history of the zölibatären church Jesu of Christ is purely quantitatively a singular success story, the history of the zölibatlosen, egalitaristischen Protestantism is a history of the splitting off with partial clear tendencies to the voluntary disbanding.

Those are the cool, irrefutable facts.

3. The priest of the church Jesu of Christ TARGET to the world take a distance, because the church Jesu out-permitted with all means of sanctifying is the instrument, with which (often) the Godless world is to be sanctified…