Were important truths of the catholic faith teachings out of a politically understood consideration for „the separate brothers darkened “?

(, Vatikan kreuz.net) at the end of of July published the vatikanische daily paper `L'Osservatore Romano' an article with the title „falls in love its with mother God “.

Author of the text is the Italian Redemptoristenpater Giovanni Velocci.

The article treats the book `the glories Mariens' (1750). The work originates from the feather/spring of the Italian bishop and church teacher as well as founder of the Redemptoristenordens, Alphons from Liguori († 1787).

Pater Velocci explains that the holy Alphons supported its Mariologie by two special privileges of the God mother:

• their divine maternity and
• their universal intermediary shank of all grace.

„Maria was the chosen of mother God thereby that it was Coredemptrix [Miterlöserin] and Mediatrix [Mittlerin of all grace] “- the Pater summarizes the Mariologie of its medal founder.

The transmission the mother God was connected with that Christ:

„In accordance with their privilege as mother God cooperated Maria with Jesus in the release of mankind, Miterlöserin became and implements now in the sky the mission of the Mittlerin. “

The title of the Miterlöserin
The title of the Miterlöserin - Coredemptrix -, used by Pater Velocci, crystallized during a long theological development since the time of the Apostel.

For the first time it seems around 15. Century in a Salzburger Hymnus up.

Before those of mother God was already called as Redemptrix, Mediatrix, Reparatrix and Salvatrix.

The Spanish Jesuit and prominent theologian at the council of Trient (1545-1563), Pater Alfonso Salmerón († 1585), defended the legal standard of the title „Miterlöserin “several times.

18. Century is considered as the bloom time of the title. He is stated in over 300 theological works.

The title Miterlöserin is also in documents of the church teaching profession. For example the Ritenkongregation used it in the year 1908.

The Popes Pius XI. († 1939), Paul VI. († 1978) and Johannes Paul II. († 2005) used the title with different responding.

On the other hand Pius XII avoided it. († 1958), in order to wait for the results of the theological discussion.

With alleged Marienerscheinungen in Amsterdam in the year 1951 „the woman of all peoples wished “before the Seherin IDA Peerdemann the Miterlöserin as the third Mariendogma after the Dogmatisierung of the Unbefleckten Empfängnis and the Ascension Day Mariens.


The second Vatikanum avoided a Dogmatisierung of the title out of consideration for „the separate brothers “.

In the last twenty years a movement developed, which has the Dogmatisierung of the title as a goal. You followed more than 500 bishops and cardinals as well as several millions believer.

Among them was also that recently the deceased, emeritierte archbishop of Paris, Jean Marie cardinal of merry.

aurelia: One must know when one the dialogue to break off must over with the resistance begin “

A very good quotation, which must is times praising mentioned.

Credo: @ Benedikt

Worth Benedikt, I gave down the book reference „to manual of the Dogmengeschichte Mariologie… “. On page 238 FF of the book you can find the answer.
Inputs of bishops this came wished to the preparation of their own Marienschemas.
After the second council break (where the pattern was again reworked) both „Mittlerin was not considered “and „Miterlöserin “.

„The consideration for the other Christian denominations, whose representative received the single documents often before for investigation, became clearly apparent. “A.a.O. 239.

Florian Geyer: Note

„One must know when one the dialogue to break off must over with the resistance begin “

the quotation of professor at that time Ratzinger was in T5ubingen as it the instigated student mobilization „Sadomasochismus “re-ringed as it explained that Chritus for us died.

Further it erkleutert appropriate that the dialogue to the lie will if it with the terror is always led.
Around the dear peace sake is already much-fails and mistake happened. Christ gave admits that the spirit will separate and to him to push. Father against son, brother against sister etc. etc.…

Benedikt: Question

The second Vatikanum avoided a Dogmatisierung of the title out of consideration for „the separate brothers “.

Was that at all discussed? Ever does not belong.

Florian Geyer: Dogmas

among other things an important self protection before Irlehrern those is it often not at all around truth goes separating around shaping in the theological Wissenschftsbetrieb. One places oneself times the horror vision before types like Mr. „to Leblhuber “faithful their „Christology “without obstacles under young people. (which hete unfortunately often happened without resistance)
As BXVI said: „One must know when one the dialogue to break off must over with the resistance begin “

Rudolfus: Dogmas as answers to the questioning or denying of apostolischen teachings by erring teachers

Persistent existing erring teachings in the church one can meet apostolischen teachings only by the solemn Dogmatisierung.

On abgespaltene and err-teaching ex church parts - which are no more church parts - and may not the Roman church can take to not consideration.

Most erring teachings, which are taught at present by many dominant theologians,
in the form of dogmas were however already condemned,
so that these theologians are automatically impossible from the church,
even if they the offices for church keep further occupied:
The majority the German, French and US-American of the bishops and theologian are erring teachers and thus impossible from the church.

Where in addition, err-teaching bishops to govern, a quite creditor bishop must arise:
This rechtgläubige bishop was archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, which had to also do it from the church to excluded bishops.

A Pope, who undertakes here nothing, and even even appoints erring teachers (like the Popes Paul VI. and Johannes Paul II.),
it must also accept that the existing rechtgläubige bishop dedicates rechtgläubige bishops,
and that a state of emergency is given.

No Pope knows this rechtgläubig catholic bishop, who acted from a bishop state of emergency,
and rechtgläubige bishops dedicates, from the church valid exclude (the divine State of Emergency Act of the church stands over each Pope arbitrariness).